identification ornata ou luteola ?

[chto]

Bonjour j ai un doute sur un male ornata et j aimerai savoir si c est un terrapene ornata ornata ou un terrapene ornata luteola merci

[Hansm]

I need a plastron picture too.

[chto]

plastron 

[Hansm]

Very interesting, I need the size en weight too, is this animal wildcaught ?

[chto]

je n ai pas beaucoup d information sur cette animal ,et pour le moment il hiberne ,il doit faire 15 cm
je n ai pas sa fiche pour le moment pour te donner le poids ,il est près convention mais a du etre importer de la nature

[Hansm]

If i understand correct he is in hibernation at the moment and size 15 cm.
I have some extra questions i will write you tomorrow a PM.

[chto]

ok

[FromHolland]

It is hard to tell the sub-species looking at the plastron in this case.
The plastron might have worn off, resulting in faded markings.
The carapax of o.luteola tends to have more striping than o.ornata.

Maybe this helps:
http://www.wildherps.com/species/T.ornata.html
http://www.chelonia.org/terrapenegallery.htm

[Hansm]

It is hard to tell the sub-species looking at the plastron in this case.
The plastron might have worn off, resulting in faded markings.

No its not worn off, the faded plastron is one of the typical key-points to regonize the sub-specie luteola

[chto]

sorry it did after checking 12.5 cm and weighs 380g

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